https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_AUG
LARPfag here. The StG77 is the only rifle I know, but I can't believe you can ask for more.
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Look through telescope
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Put center of crosshairs over target
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Pull trigger
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See target pop
Muzzle velocity is 970m/s -- no imagination or mental acrobatics required for targets closer than a hundred yards. Aim a palm or so higher for each extra hundred yards. The rifle is mostly made of plastic and absolutely no burden, not even on 30 ml walks. Careful cleaning is a requirement for automatic action, though, especially for and after using blinds.
How does that compare to U.S. army rifles? Or a Kalashnikov? A problem for guerilleros might be that all parts are machine-tooled, so you need special equipment for making spares.
The Marine Corps zeros it's rifles to about 300 yards. But clearly many engagements are closer than that. So, if you're trying to fine tune it for target shooting then there's either math involved or some Kentucky windage that you have to practice.
If it's about self defense then good news, zero it to 3hundo and aim center mass.
Steyr vs M16, having played with both give me the M16 owhll dehy. That Steyr is a maintenance hog (relatively) and the reload mechanism is awkward, even to people who train on them. But, I guess, if a M4gery is too long for you and you really want to pop armor indoors then I guess that's fine.
Nerd.
Thanks, nerd, for expanding my vocabulary, but I'm at odds with
I'd be curious to see other mechanisms, because it looked elegantly simple to me, but then again, never saw any other rifle. Apparently it was not obvious that my experience is limited to mandatory army service. (In Austria, so that's why StG77.)
That was outdoors in one of the harshest winters on record. Thanks again.
Also eye-opening: my focus was on sniping; forgot that typical use is self-defense.
I don't think any platform can match an AR in reloading speed aside from pistols. Plus it'll take some training to re-familiarize the average american with a bullpup reload.
Interesting, because wikipedia sez that it is easier to manoeuver (the mechanics checks out with me; didn't know there is any other way, though.)
The AR is not bullpup? The AUG/StG77 definitely is.
Shorter rifles are easier to maneuver- an 11.5" AR would handle similarly to an AUG coming out of a vehicle or inside buildings, but the short barrel leaves a lot of ballistic performance on the table. Bullpups do have a less ergonomic reload, though, with the magwell being by the operator's torso instead of naturally in the 'working space' directly in front of your, which is also where pistol reloads should occur.
AR is definitely not a bullpup, no.
Sorry, I guess the mechanism is fine. I meant more the reloading of a bullpup, not just the Steyr but all of them. Such a strange thing in the prone and while moving. I feel like in my limited time watching the Brits run around I always saw dudes dropping mags/missing the hole if they were moving and reloading.
But if it's what you know then yeahwhy reinvent the wheel my friend. You spend years learning a weapon then why wod you change and try a new one? I don't know much about it for sniping out at range. I'd guess 500 yards what your trying to do? Are they accurate further?
Austrian basic training is only a few months, so sunk cost would not be an issue here. Guns are too expensive for me right now, or better: getting good with them is quite costly and time consuming. Buying a gun without the will to put effort into it is probably a big mistake.
"Sniping" was meant as "shooting at a range with a telescope" without the target shooting back. 500 yards is quite a distance and takes a lot of skill. Apart from that: afaik, sniping is extremely demanding, because you can't take the bus to your target, but must get there on foot in the moutains or jungle. I'm not a sniper.
All this is more theoretical in my case. You guys have told me more than I can process at the moment. Thanks, btw. This brings us to your first paragraph, because I have only a vague understanding what you are talking about. Perhaps I should buy a "rifles for dummies" book before I get back. Guns and war are very interesting, though. I can relate to your passion.
I'm actually really interested in your opinions (I've never worked with the Austrians).
Kentucky Windage is a slang term in the US military that is used when people willfully use their sights "improperly" to compensate for something. For example, let's say you're shooting at 500 yard and you set your site to 500. But, suddenly a target pops up at 200 yards. Now, your sites sent able to properly hit so you "aim lower" or maybe instead of looking through the rear sight ring, you look above it and line up the top edge with the front sight post. But, it's not a guess, if something people generally practice.
The Marines train with the M16 at 500 yards on a man sized target. It's good at 500 so.i would imagine the Steyr can do similar.
What are the laws on reloading ammo in Austria? In the states that's a necessity for zeroing a rifle now a daus
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I've read that most engagements in Afghanistan were 300-500m. In urban settings they also learned to fall back a few blocks as the troops advanced
Very true, and we'll beyond 500, which is why the At has taken to bringing M14s back since they can reach out to 800.
But mostly because in the early days of the war EVERYTHING was up close and personal so the DoD started switching to M4s. Once Hajii learned we were lethal in MOUT stuff they started pulling back.
Now there's the new debate over the next gen rifle and I'll bet good money whatever will choose will be the wrong rifle for the next war...that's that's just me being an optimist
Totally agree. Now that we're equipping grunts with LPVO's and maybe a better cartridge, I wonder if engagements will be pushed in or out. It seems foolhardy for unarmored Chinese or hajis to go close-in with our armored boys, but I dunno. They were fine with charging up mountain sides in Korea- all I can see is a need to carry ALOT of ammo.
Hahah good point. Maybe there is something to that lightweight texting ammo...