Local militias have no effective controls, oversight, or restrictions on them. In all cases this leads to greater corruption and the use of militias to enforce vendettas. Look to all of the ungoverned spaces in the middle east and north Africa for examples.
Thank you for engaging with my post in a sincere way. This is definitely a fair concern, though there are ways to mitigate against that, which are discussed in the video.
I'll give you credit for being ballsy enough to push communist you tube channels in this corner of the internet though.
Thanks. I'm pretty pissed off right now, though, because the mods deleted my post. I thought this was a gun rights forum, and as long as a post is relevant to and supportive of that, it would be welcome even if not popular. It shouldn't be censored because political sectarianism. What a shame. The right criticizes the left for restricting free speech yet it seems either side is just as likely to do it when it suits them. Though I realize this was the actions of an individual moderator and I shouldn't hold it against the people of this forum as a whole.
Sorry for the rant, I'm just disappointed. I don't like to restrict myself to a political bubble or echo chamber and I wish more people felt this way.
Anyways, did you watch the video? I'd love to hear your take on it.
Where does that leave someone like me, who is both communist and libertarian?
I did try and give the video a try, but it is intellectually dishonest and scripted for the pro communist argument to win.
I'm a bit confused why you think this. The debate was about pro abolition vs. anti abolition, not pro or anti communism. It's clear there is an anti-capitalist bias but the debate was focused on what to do about the police, not what to do about capitalism.
Anarchist Communism is an oxymoron and a pipe dream. If you believe that a system of government can be created in which people will willingly be taxed sufficiently to provide a communist utopia under anything but the threat of violence you still have much to learn about human nature.
This is a misunderstanding of anarchist communism. There is no taxation and no state in anarchist communism.
But in the meantime this conversation has dead ended.
You're probably right about the dead-end, but if you're an Orwell fan, I highly recommend Homage to Catalonia. His memoir of going to Spain as a volunteer militiaman in the Spanish civil war. Likely his best work. His experiences in Spain played an important role in shaping his political views and his books 1984 and Animal Farm.
I'm a libertarian-socialist. I'm vehemently against the state and hierarchical authority, which means I'm vehemently against Bolsheviks, Leninists, Maoists, etc.
The left is more diverse than most people on the right or center realize. It's not just the left/right spectrum, it's also the top/bottom spectrum of authority vs. liberty.
Edit: I'm still interested in hearing what you think of the video...
That's crazy. You can't be both. You're simultaneously saying " I want the government out of my life" while at the same time saying "I want the government to dictate what I can and can't do"
Generally speaking, the libertarian side only wants the government to regulate externalities that the individual cannot. If my neighbor down the road is dumping his trash in the creek and it floats down to me, that's a problem that I need government involvement to correct. However, socialism doesn't just regulate externalities, it regulates internalities. They are mutually exclusive points of view
You could argue some small areas of overlap but you can't be both. Here's proof:
Can the government tell you how much you have to pay an employee?
Can a private individual own property?
Can the government dictate the rules of your religion?
Is hate speech free speech?
Do individuals have the right to the products of their labor?
The video was awful, unfunny, uninspired and way too long. Plus at no point did I think it was a "debate" just a place to push her obvious views while strawmanning the opposition
The problem is we don't get to decide what armed mob is going to police our (insert populated area here). So if we're talking about Detroit, we know who's going to be out there on the streets swinging their nuts once police disappear. Look how fucked NY is right now.
I enjoyed watching this video and found it informative, thought-provoking, and at times quite funny. It's a debate over whether police should be reformed or abolished, with the YouTuber LuckyBlackCat playing both characters.
In my opinion, anyone who cares about gun rights or liberty in general should be concerned by the fact that the state has an effective monopoly on armed force, both legally and practically speaking in that they have us far outgunned. Police brutality and corruption is a serious problem (for people of all racial groups) and too many of them act like they're above the law.
I believe police should be replaced with community self-defense militias, with mechanisms of accountability in place to ensure the community retains control and the militias don't become an oppressive force in themselves. The abolitionist character in this video discusses this and gives a fascinating real life example of this occurring in certain regions of Mexico where the police are so corrupt or ineffective that people had to take things into their own hands.
All in all, an interesting video for anyone concerned with liberty, justice, and armed self-defense.
Thank you for engaging with my post in a sincere way. This is definitely a fair concern, though there are ways to mitigate against that, which are discussed in the video.
Thanks. I'm pretty pissed off right now, though, because the mods deleted my post. I thought this was a gun rights forum, and as long as a post is relevant to and supportive of that, it would be welcome even if not popular. It shouldn't be censored because political sectarianism. What a shame. The right criticizes the left for restricting free speech yet it seems either side is just as likely to do it when it suits them. Though I realize this was the actions of an individual moderator and I shouldn't hold it against the people of this forum as a whole.
Sorry for the rant, I'm just disappointed. I don't like to restrict myself to a political bubble or echo chamber and I wish more people felt this way.
Anyways, did you watch the video? I'd love to hear your take on it.
Where does that leave someone like me, who is both communist and libertarian?
I'm a bit confused why you think this. The debate was about pro abolition vs. anti abolition, not pro or anti communism. It's clear there is an anti-capitalist bias but the debate was focused on what to do about the police, not what to do about capitalism.
This is a misunderstanding of anarchist communism. There is no taxation and no state in anarchist communism.
You're probably right about the dead-end, but if you're an Orwell fan, I highly recommend Homage to Catalonia. His memoir of going to Spain as a volunteer militiaman in the Spanish civil war. Likely his best work. His experiences in Spain played an important role in shaping his political views and his books 1984 and Animal Farm.
Free PDF copy here https://libcom.org/files/Homage%20to%20Catalonia%20-%20George%20Orwell.pdf
Smells like commies in here...
Did you watch the video? (I'd be interested in your opinion.)
You Marxist shits are all steppers at heart. No societies that even LEAN socialsist protect gun rights. Fuck off back to reddit
And if you are sincere, you're a Menshevik to them. I'd pay close attention to what the Bolsheviks did to the Mensheviks after October '18
I'm a libertarian-socialist. I'm vehemently against the state and hierarchical authority, which means I'm vehemently against Bolsheviks, Leninists, Maoists, etc.
The left is more diverse than most people on the right or center realize. It's not just the left/right spectrum, it's also the top/bottom spectrum of authority vs. liberty.
Edit: I'm still interested in hearing what you think of the video...
That's crazy. You can't be both. You're simultaneously saying " I want the government out of my life" while at the same time saying "I want the government to dictate what I can and can't do"
Generally speaking, the libertarian side only wants the government to regulate externalities that the individual cannot. If my neighbor down the road is dumping his trash in the creek and it floats down to me, that's a problem that I need government involvement to correct. However, socialism doesn't just regulate externalities, it regulates internalities. They are mutually exclusive points of view
You could argue some small areas of overlap but you can't be both. Here's proof:
Can the government tell you how much you have to pay an employee?
Can a private individual own property?
Can the government dictate the rules of your religion?
Is hate speech free speech?
Do individuals have the right to the products of their labor?
The video was awful, unfunny, uninspired and way too long. Plus at no point did I think it was a "debate" just a place to push her obvious views while strawmanning the opposition
That's like saying "I'm a liberal-conservative".
The problem is we don't get to decide what armed mob is going to police our (insert populated area here). So if we're talking about Detroit, we know who's going to be out there on the streets swinging their nuts once police disappear. Look how fucked NY is right now.
This was addressed in the video. What did you think of it? (I'd be interested in your opinion.)
I enjoyed watching this video and found it informative, thought-provoking, and at times quite funny. It's a debate over whether police should be reformed or abolished, with the YouTuber LuckyBlackCat playing both characters.
In my opinion, anyone who cares about gun rights or liberty in general should be concerned by the fact that the state has an effective monopoly on armed force, both legally and practically speaking in that they have us far outgunned. Police brutality and corruption is a serious problem (for people of all racial groups) and too many of them act like they're above the law.
I believe police should be replaced with community self-defense militias, with mechanisms of accountability in place to ensure the community retains control and the militias don't become an oppressive force in themselves. The abolitionist character in this video discusses this and gives a fascinating real life example of this occurring in certain regions of Mexico where the police are so corrupt or ineffective that people had to take things into their own hands.
All in all, an interesting video for anyone concerned with liberty, justice, and armed self-defense.