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We thought the same thing in New Zealand until the Christchurch massacre, our semi-autos on a standard licence were basically neutered "assault weapons" in that we couldn't have flash hiders. bayonet lugs, pistol grips etc and mag capacity of 7 max (solely to remove garands) as well as more traditional hunting semi-autos like the Remington 7400.

However we did have an additional endorsement (E-cat/MSSA) to the licence which was a little harder to get but allowed everything semi-auto you could think of with the exception of overall length needing to be 30.19" minimum to avoid it being classified as a pistol.

Only 8k of the 250-300k licence holders in NZ had that endorsement and accounted for 0% of gun crime since 1992 when that endorsement/law was created. When they said they were banning all semi auto centrefire rifles they also included bolt/lever/pump rifles with mag/tube capacity over 10 and all shotguns with detachable mags and tubes with capacity over 5 rounds of whatever the chamber size was, but this was not at all reported in the media, it was just "military-style semi-automatic weapons and assault rifles" so much for just semi-auto centrefire rifles.

We thought people with an "E-cat" endorsement would be fine, we were very wrong. They got rid of the endorsement and reclassified all semi-autos as military style semi-automatics including the traditional hunting ones and they were all banned. The govt also changed arms export laws at the same time so we could not sell overseas to get better pricing than the lowball offer the govt gave.

They have now just recently banned pump action rifles with detachable mags completely which boned many an ex AR15 owner who bought a Remington 7600's or Troy PAR15's so they could continue to put their expensive as fuck acogs to use, they have also tried to ban pistol carbine kits but just made them require registration (like pistols) and pistol endorsement and also created 2 new class of pistol called a "small semi auto pistol" which has a max length of 15.7" to sop people from putting a long barrel in their glock and using a carbine kit at the same time turning it into a Prohibited pistol (the other class).

You tists need to fight this as hard as you can and everyone should be buying more guns and boats lest you end up like us because as you can see from New Zealand, if you give them an inch they will take 10 miles. Unfortunately New Zealand doesn't have the same culture around firearms compared to the US and a lot of our licence holders are fudds that think you only need a single shot .308 and an over/under 12ga so there was very little push back with the exception of the 3gunners/service match shooters etc and one political party who went from 1 politician to 10 politicians in the election last month as a result.

Despite the ban there has only been 56k firearms handed in, our largest retailer alone has imported at least 60k norinco sks rifles since the 80's so when our govt/police call it a success it was actually a dismal failure.

Ironically, despite what the media said, full-auto and select fire actual assault rifles held on a collector endorsement were left alone so my working machine guns are still legal for now but the slippery slope is no longer a fallacy.

3 years ago
2 score
Reason: Original

We thought the same thing in New Zealand until the Christchurch massacre, our semi-autos on a standard licence were basically neutered "assault weapons" in that we couldn't have flash hiders. bayonet lugs, pistol grips etc and mag capacity of 7 max (solely to remove garands) as well as more traditional hunting semi-autos like the Remington 7400.

However we did have an additional endorsement (E-cat/MSSA) to the licence which was a little harder to get but allowed everything semi-auto you could think of with the exception of overall length needing to be 30.19" minimum to avoid it being classified as a pistol.

Only 8k of the 250-300k licence holders in NZ had that endorsement and accounted for 0% of gun crime since 1992 when that endorsement/law was created. When they said they were banning all semi auto centrefire rifles they also included bolt/lever/pump rifles with mag/tube capacity over 10 and all shotguns with detachable mags and tubes with capacity over 5 rounds of whatever the chamber size was, but this was not at all reported in the media, it was just "military-style semi-automatic weapons and assault rifles" so much for just semi-auto centrefire rifles.

We thought people with an "E-cat" endorsement would be fine, we were very wrong. They got rid of the endorsement and reclassified all semi-autos as military style semi-automatics including the traditional hunting ones and they were all banned. The govt also changed arms export laws at the same time so we could not sell overseas to get better pricing than the lowball offer the govt gave.

They have now just recently banned pump action rifles with detachable mags completely which boned many an ex AR15 owner who bought a Remington 7600's or Troy PAR15's so they could continue to put their expensive as fuck acogs to use or, they have also tried to ban pistol carbine kits but just made them require registration (like pistols) and pistol endorsement and also created 2 new class of pistol called a "small semi auto pistol" which has a max length of 15.7" to sop people from putting a long barrel in their glock and using a carbine kit at the same time turning it into a Prohibited pistol (the other class).

You tists need to fight this as hard as you can and everyone should be buying more guns and boats lest you end up like us because as you can see from New Zealand, if you give them an inch they will take 10 miles. Unfortunately New Zealand doesn't have the same culture around firearms compared to the US and a lot of our licence holders are fudds that think you only need a single shot .308 and an over/under 12ga so there was very little push back with the exception of the 3gunners/service match shooters etc and one political party who went from 1 politician to 10 politicians in the election last month as a result.

Despite the ban there has only been 56k firearms handed in, our largest retailer alone has imported at least 60k norinco sks rifles since the 80's so when our govt/police call it a success it was actually a dismal failure.

Ironically, despite what the media said, full-auto and select fire actual assault rifles held on a collector endorsement were left alone so my working machine guns are still legal for now but the slippery slope is no longer a fallacy.

3 years ago
1 score