Wait wait wait wait one fucking minute bro. You mean to tell me you knew who all these empires were advanced and you still said Africans never invented civilization or written word knowing all those people existed? That's a special kind of stupid. Certainly Semitic tribes were close to Europeans that doesn't make them not Africans. But who cares let's get to the real shit then! North Africa certainly are genetically different from sub-saharans but that's not the argument you wanted to have and you apparently have some knowledge of African history. Now maybe you have more knowledge of African history than me because my dissertation was on bronze age Battle tactics which means I'm reading about a lot of African goat battles. So in that case then we can go really deep into African history.
While I agree that the left wing likes to trump up Mali as some kind of wakanda you can't deny that it wasn't effective empire. Sure they had gold and they used that resource to their best interest I'm not really sure how you fault them for that.
I know what you're waiting for me to say "Aksumite Empire!" to which you will guffaw because they traded with the Romans in the first century and we're christians and will throw out their writing system so, skip that one.
First then, the Kerma https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa/forgotten-kingdom-kerma-and-its-incredible-deffufas-006597 those fuckers built some shit. If you're into pre-Clovis stuff then these guys are all sorts of cool. But for regular folk it's notable what they accomplished WITHOUT animals
The Mapungubwe which became Zimbabwe? Short lived but they did the stuff you would attribute to empire.
Want me to say Zulu? Nah. Too easy.
Next I'd say look at Macrobia and the absolutely insanely large trade networks they had. So large that Cambyses (real or fake, Bardia anyone???) got tangled up with them and lost an army trying to cross the desert. Yes a Persian army beaten by a desert. Persian history is super bland but it's clear these Macrobians didn't fuck around. Even Herodotas of helikarnasus talked about them https://www.somaliwave.com/index.php?threads/who-were-the-macrobians.1706/ (sorry I can't find a better link but I can point you to books)
How about Maravi? They were in tight with Zheg He's trade stuff (if memory serves) and we're alligned with the Bantu. Which you'll remark "were slavers for Muslims and Christians" and I'll say yes! Duh! What's your point? Slaves have always existed. https://sovereignnations.com/2018/04/30/history-arab-slave-trade-africa/
Thoughts?
Wait wait wait wait one fucking minute bro. You mean to tell me you knew who all these empires were advanced and you still said Africans never invented civilization or written word knowing all those people existed? That's a special kind of stupid. certainly Semitic certainly close to Europeans that doesn't make them not Africans. But who cares let's get to the real shit then!
There certainly genetically different from sub-saharans but that's not the argument you wanted to have and since you apparently have some knowledge of African history. Now maybe you have more knowledge of African history than me because my dissertation was on bronze age Battle tactics which means I'm reading about a lot of African goat battles. So in that case then we can go really deep into African history.
While I agree that the left wing likes to trump up Mali as some kind of wakanda you can't deny that it wasn't effective empire. Sure they had gold and they used that resource to their best interest I'm not really sure how you fault them for that.
I know what you're waiting for,e to say "Aksumite Empire!" to which you will guffaw because they traded with the Romans in the first century and we're christians and will throw out their writing system so, skip that one.
First then, the Kerma https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa/forgotten-kingdom-kerma-and-its-incredible-deffufas-006597 those fuckers built some shit. If you're into pre-Clovis.stuff then these guys are all sorts of cool. But for regular folk it's notable what they accomplished WITHOUT animals
The Mapungubwe which became Zimbabwe? Short lived but they did the stuff you would attribute to empire.
Want me to say Zulu? Nah. Too easy.
Next I'd say look at Macrobia and the absolutely insanely large trade networks they had. So large that Cambyses (real or fake, Bardia anyone???) got tangled up with them and lost an army trying to cross the desert. Yes a Persian army beaten by a desert. Persian history is super bland but it's clear these Macrobians didn't fuck around. Even Herodotas of helikarnasus talked about them https://www.somaliwave.com/index.php?threads/who-were-the-macrobians.1706/ (sorry I can't find a better link but I can point you to books)
How about Maravi? They were in tight with Zheg He's trade stuff (if memory serves) and we're alligned with the Bantu. Which you'll remark "were slavers for Muslims and Christians" and I'll say yes! Duh! What's your point? Slaves have always existed. https://sovereignnations.com/2018/04/30/history-arab-slave-trade-africa/
Thoughts?