Can somebody explain what the deal is with pistol braces? News is moving fast and I’m a bit on the slow side of the spectrum. Thank you autists
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It means if you have the brace you can now upgrade to a real stock, unregistered home-made can, and drill the third hole with no additional penalties.
It represents the biggest loosening of restrictions from the ATF in a long time.
I didn't read it that way. haha
"No ADDITIONAL penalties" lol i.e. They're all equivalently penalized now
WTF I love the ATF now
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Pretty much, from what i understand the atf is basically stating that only two braces made by SB were duly certified for their process of heinous fuckery.
This lays the semi legal deep state bullshit groundwork to make most if not all braces retroactively illegal.
They have a history of shit like this what with Atkins accelerstors, bump stocks and the semi auto version of the aa12.
Pay no mind to it, it doesn’t fucking matter what they say. If you have one, use it, no one will stop you and the ATF won’t kick in your door for it. Just don’t post it everywhere like an idiot
This kills the zoomer. Not posting your AR build on social media is impossible.
So here is an explanation, but somehow it makes me more confused
The the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) clashed with the Honey Badger last week. But before we get there, a quick trip back to 2012. In 2012, Alex Bosco saw a disabled veteran struggle to manage a gun one-handed and crafted the planet’s first Pistol Stabilizing Brace (PSB). This inspired device physically connected a rifle-caliber pistol to the forearm by means of Velcro straps. Alex crafted the prototype in his garage, obtained approval from the ATF, and promptly changed the world.
The ATF recently ruled the Q Honey Badger Pistol an SBR. RELATED STORY ATF Rules the Q Honey Badger Pistol Is an SBR in Violation of NFA
The Story of the ATF and the Honey Badger The ATF determined that attaching a PSB to a pistol did not change the gun’s basic classification. This device subsequently opened up a brave new world for American shooters. There are around four million copies in circulation today.
The ATF was a bit bipolar about these things early on. At first it said you could legally fire the PSB-equipped gun offhand. However, put the weapon to your shoulder and it became a Short-Barreled Rifle (SBR) requiring NFA registration. That was pretty lame. A follow-on ruling backtracked. The new opinion held that how you wielded the gun didn’t actually make you a felon, and all was well with the world. Then last last week happened.
Here There Be Monsters … Q makes cool, weird, edgy guns—there’s the Sugar Weasel, the Fix, and the Mini Fix, for instance. Q actually calls one of its cans the Jumbo Shrimp. Meanwhile, the Q Honey Badger is a high-end .300 BLK AR pistol with a 7-inch barrel. The Q guys fitted the weapon with an adjustable PSB from SB Tactical. There are scads of guns already on the market that are philosophically identical. This should have been routine.
After the Honey Badger was selling briskly, the ATF ruled that the gun was a short-barreled rifle subject to the registration requirements of the National Firearms Act; that means fingerprints, a $200 transfer tax, and a six- to nine-month wait for processing. In practical terms, that is the difference between selling lots of guns and selling basically none.
What Did the Honey Badger Do to the ATF? So why did the ATF decapitate the Honey Badger when countless similar weapons didn’t? That’s the $64,000 question. The Honey Badger’s brace indeed adjusts for length of pull (LOP). Scuttlebutt has it that a brace with a LOP greater than 13.5 inches becomes magically irksome in the eyes of the ATF. However, the problem is that nobody really knows. There are no concrete guidelines. It would be kind of comical were it not that companies can go out of business and individual gun owners can go to jail over such stuff.
Lots of different braces adjust for length of pull. My personal favorite is the SB Tactical SBA3. It will set you back about a C-note and mounts onto a standard M4 buffer tube.
There was one prosecution of an Ohio man who put the rubber tip from a walking cane on the back of his collapsible Maxim Defense cheek rest. The ATF measured the LOP improperly and falsely claimed that this rubber bit put the gun over the secret 13.5-inch limit. The jury decided for the defendant after about an hour. Federal firearms law is admittedly labyrinthine. This recent ruling, however, seems frankly inexplicable.
Why Should You Care? In the aftermath of the Las Vegas shootings, the ATF—with the encouragement of the Trump administration—arbitrarily reclassified bump stocks as machine guns. Prior to that time, bump stocks were sold freely through the mail. Afterwards, owners were told they had a set period to forfeit their property without compensation; failure to do so would make them felons.
Nobody really knows how many tens of thousands of bump stocks were in circulation. However, at the end of the grace period, a grand total of 680 people surrendered their bump stocks. That means lots of otherwise law-abiding American gun owners are already in violation.
PSBs are absolutely everywhere. To retroactively declare all these guns contraband would be earth-shaking. Despite the obvious financial hardship, Q has offered to pay the transfer tax for existing Honey Badger owners wishing to file a Form 1 and register their guns as SBRs.
There was chatter back in June that the ATF was indeed considering reclassifying all PSB-equipped guns as SBRs. Congressmen stepped in. As all of these rulings were established behind closed doors nobody, to include Congress apparently, really knows what’s going on.
PSB Philosophy None of this makes sense. You can walk out of a gun shop packing a pocket pistol with nothing more than a Form 4473 and a NICS check. However, it takes $200, fingerprints, and a half-year wait to buy a full-sized rifle with a 15-inch barrel. That is frankly ridiculous.
The 5th and 14th amendments to the U.S. Constitution expressly state that no persons may be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Now the ATF has administratively determined that something previously owned legally makes you a felon; that seems the very reason those brilliant old guys included that bit in the Constitution in the first place.
In its defense, the ATF has to interpret and enforce laws that are a bucket of snakes. However, much of this current mess just doesn’t smell right. Here’s the thing: The Boston BATF regional SAC signed the Honey Badger letter, not the Firearms Technology Branch. Despite queries from individuals, companies, and gun rights organizations, the ATF has not been forthcoming.
There have also been allegations that this was all precipitated by entrenched bureaucrats trying to get American gun owners disenchanted with President Trump three weeks prior to the election. I think that gives entrenched bureaucrats more credit than they’re due. However, President Trump’s sons own PSB-equipped firearms.
https://www.tactical-life.com/news/atf-honey-badger-pistol-brace/
Best explanation I’ve seen yet. Even my little brain can understand it.
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They're from 2018 and will be used as water testers for the real ban that is coming. As of now braces are still legal in the eyes of the ATF.
Why is the ATF weird about braces? Like what the fuck is the point?
Because they’re fucking gay
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