Giving this a try to see if it helps people hang around and engage with the community a little bit more. Spicy memes and gun bunnies are great but we all know the one thing that keeps us together is our love of the firearms that guarantee our freedom.
If you have questions about guns, training, ammo, etc. etc. and don't feel like getting joke answers in a standalone post of a site dedicated to shitposting, ask it here.
For the people who would like to answer questions, please keep it somewhat serious. Lighthearted humor is fine but I'd like to keep the actual autism out of this particular post.
If this seems effective, I'll try to get one stickied every week
The SCAR17 7.62/.308 keeps getting more and more expensive.
Is it really worth the premium?
If yes, why?
If no, what is your 7.62/.308 alternative?
I've got a few G3/CETME platform rifles as well as a couple FAL's. Honestly I'd go with the PTR-91 series, specifically the model with the welded pic rail. The downside is they mangle brass so reloading isn't a great option, but the flip side is no gas system to fuck with and it just works with any .308/7.62 NATO you put in it. So shoot cheaper steel case ammo in it and don't feel bad.
I typically get around 3 MOA with either the C308 or the PTR-91 with iron sights. I haven't really put a scope on either of the rifles as I shot them in cold war matches. I think with a scope I might be able to tighten those groups up to 2.5 MOA.
I can't say that the ergos are great and the triggers are god awful, but it goes bang in just about any condition and is easy to field strip.
whi buy from a company owned by the belgian govt that hates u and privately owned gun rights? dont. buy b&t APC308 instead.
How does the B&T compare to the Robinson Arms XCR-M?
ugh. But those socialist soy-bois make some good shit.
But I'll take a look. ty
Its honestly one of the coolest guns i have shot. Excellent modern super sexy battle rifle with a folding stock. Modern rifles with long stroke pistons sexually excite me.
Mags are proprietary and expensive. Rifle itself is about the price of a semi decent used car. Also i have heard they are rough on optics.
I kinda want one myself but the AR10 type gat that takes sr25 pattern mags is so mich more approachable with readily available parts. Also if you want a folding stock battle rifle look into a FAL. Still so much money from DSA but more available parts and mags than a FAL. Learn to love rollpins and headspacing if you build one.
Mags are still proprietary? I can't believe that. Bummer.
I heard the same thing about optics. Apparently you have to get special mounting hw for acogs, etc...
$50 on sale for them mags too. That's a fuck ton when you start trying to buy a loadout/training set up.
I don't even look at or read about the HKMR762 or MR556. Otherwise i will lust after them too hard.
I really want a fancy rifle but an limited in budget.
$50 a mag, i'm spoiled by dirt cheap ar15 mags.
No experience with battle rifles beyond the M1/M14. Since I believe .308 is best regulated to a DMR or other specialized roles, and battle rifles in general are best for collecting/range toys, I'd say M1A or CMP M1. Accurate irons, reliable if you keep the action covered when in the muck. Natural ergonomics if you grew up with wood and steel instead of pistol-grips. Fun to shoot, very manageable recoil.
My reasoning for no SCAR17 anyway- a well build AR-10 is just as good in the DMR role, and will be lighter than a SCAR. Top tier AR-10 is cheaper than a SCAR. Not as reliable over an extended carbine class- needs to be kept cleaner than a comparable AR from what I've seen (mostly home-brew builds). But if you've already expended multiple full combat loads of .308, and didn't get a chance to clean your BCG at the end of the day, things would be dire indeed anyway. Cheaper mags. More parts available. Better ergonomics and manual of arms for an AR-shooter. Being able to take a far-forward, wrap-around grip is big for me. (still possible on the M1/M14 platform)
The ideal alternative was the small-frame .308 AR pattern DPMS came up with before Remington screwed that and themselves over.
I was taking a hard look at the m1a scout. But fucking gun nerds (as we know) love to complain about everything. So i've gone back and forth on it.
Building an AR10 isn't something i've really thought about but it makes a lot of sense. I do like the foldable stock on the scar, which i presume the action for the ar10 precludes that?
Anyway, thanks for the perspective.
M1A is fast- here is 3-gun Heavy Metal division god Patrick Kelly- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuQ_zQ2gGAU
M1A scout is a cool gun. Not too heavy with a poly stock, either. I wouldn't want less than a 18" barrel on any .308 platform anyway. It is easy to stone any M1-style trigger into being match-worthy if you know what you're doing, and any accuracy issues are easily resolved by checking stock fitment. If you get the standard-length, it would double as a decent rifle to show up to CMP service-rifle competitions with.
For a AR10, an 18" rifle-gas chrome lined CORE-profile from Criterion would be choice, imo. Hopefully they'll offer that profile. I'd probably also go for a BGC with dual ejectors.
Collasping stock isn't much of a trade-off. You'd only fold it for storage, and even then you might as well split an AR.
Those are good points. I think i'll probably go for an ar10 build, for 1/2 to 2/3 price of a scar i should be able to make something awesome by the look of the part prices.