Opinions on the new KelTec gun in 5.7mm FN? Looks kinda near and futuristic but probably will ham every 3 rounds? I think it takes P90 magazines from the pictures? Autistic opinions??!
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I like the p90, and the fn fiveseven.
I give keltec credit for trying, but barf. I'd rather be seen with a C9.
Edit: i have not shot it, it could be great, i just think it is ugly and looks cumbersome.
Vaporware that will take months to likely ship and not in high quantities.
It's neat it takes p90 mags.
It's not so neat that it's keltec. They always struck me as a company with cool ideas but poor quality control. Every gun they make feels cheap to me.
For that money i'd go cz scorpion micro and be better off.
It still looks cool and sorta like an mp7 if i squint and get wasted
Agreed.
Ruger should contract Kel-Tec to brainstorm new ideas for guns that Ruger then makes
That's honestly really smart and a great idea. Proven production capacity and better qc than they have shown on their own.
Could you imagine a readily available high quality domestic made bullpup in 5.56 and .308 with a good rep and customer support that cost south of $1200?
Let's be honest with ourselves. The P90 is a fucking ugly ass gun. There are bull pups that look cool and the p90 is not one of them.
The P50 on the other hand is a retro futuristic space age gun that looks like it shoots laser beams and would look good in twin side saddles on a cafe racer with tank track tires.
Right now 5.7 is kind of the equivalent to buying a jetski and parking it in front of your house. Maybe as time goes on it will be more affordable and readily available but for now you're mostly buying that caliber purely to flex.
My main concern is the ejection angle. it looks like it ejects behind where the sight is mounted so if you have a cheek weld (assuming they make a brace for it) the brass is hitting you in the face and causing weird stoppages.
Reloading also looks kind of tricky
I bought my Five-seveN IOW (one with the rounded trigger guard) for around $850 back in the mid-2000's. But, yeah, the ammo has always been a bitch to find and expensive.
Reloading looks like a belt fed machine gun. Fortunately I have plenty of practice on that.
I really want a 5.7. Don't know if i will get one but i love the idea of 20 rds with 30 in a pocket for a reload.
I was on the fence for years on the ballistics of the round but finally did enough research to feel pretty good about it.
If you're a bullpup fellating, FN fangril autist like me who already has a PS90, the question becomes "why would I shoot the PS90 ammo and magazines out of something less-flexworthy than the PS90?" Despite the idea of having multiple guns using the same magazine, I'd rather just buy a second PS90 if that was my goal.
But for somebody who hasn't thrown FN a shitload of money for an impractical,yet fun gun, I would think that the p50 looks like it's trying so hard to skirt around soup boy rules that it can't be what it really wants to be.
The PS90 magazine is too unwieldy for a true one handed pistol, and it looks so awkward trying to shoot with just the slingadinga support. It needs a stock, or at least a forward dongle to hold onto for support, but thanks to the soupboys it doesn't have either.
EDIT: I will say that I do appreciate Kel-Tec making crazy stupid guns nobody asked for, though. We need people out there pushing the borders and not just making another "TOTALLY NOT A GLAWK" clone.
That's a good point. I do like them pushing the envelope.
It's like the Mossberg shockwave, it's more a middle finger to the GayTF than anything practical.
Shockwave = dumpster defender
Keltec 5.7 = ?
I feel like KelTec hired someone that used to work at Nerf. Pretty awesome.
I don’t own anything from them yet, but wouldn’t be opposed. Maybe one of those things once someone comes up with some brace options.
Once again I'll give them props for trying something different. Every time though I see something like the CP33 I realize that I can get a 22 Charger and brace for less money and know for sure the 25 round mags will actually work...
Throw a 10/22 binary into that charger and now you are talking.
I would give them props for trying something different if they hadn't designed it as a break-action gun. I can't think of ANY other magazine-fed gun that requires actually opening the action to get the mag in and out.
If you're switching between AR, AK, Scorpion, AUG, Tavor, etc there are slight differences in reloading process that you'll have to learn, but they're all roughly the same concept - push something, drop empty mag, insert new mag, close bolt, fire.
Like the P90, this requires that you learn and memorize and build muscle memory for a completely different process, but this requires actually opening the action and introduces additional potential modes of failure that you'll have to train for.
That's a lot of training and muscle memory to learn for a comically oversized pistol that can't readily accommodate a stock or brace.
It looks like it's from a bad video game.
I mean seriously, the gun splits in half to put the mag in.
An ugly gun that takes comparatively expensive and hard-to-find ammo that's too large to be a pistol and has no way to readily attach a brace/convert to SBR. Plus you get to practice and learn an entirely new reloading process that involves actually opening the action of the gun to get the mag in and out.
Are there any other modern guns on the market that you have to actually open the gun to get the mag in and out? That seems like a terrible design decision - one more thing that can malfunction during the reloading process.
The THREE WORDS their marketing department chose (https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearms/pistols/p50/) to describe the gun: unique, adaptable, retro. Not "reliable" or "dependable" or "accurate" or anything like that.
Fucking gimmick if I ever saw one.