Oh boy let's have a serious discussion on wknd.
My states (KY) now mandates mask and most business follow suit. I've seen it twice in Walmart now where a Karen was explaining to the employee that if they make her wear a mask then they are infringing her on her 2A and they've got a 25,000 lawsuit coming, citing some law that prevents people from obscuring identity while conceal carrying. The employees have that look of acquiescence that one would acquire while working at Walmart and relents.
- That's only a bullshit law in CA and even they are suspending that law.
- KY doesn't have that law.
- Bitch wasn't even carry as far as I can tell. Didn't check her zap tho.
- I've been carrying while wearing a mask at work for years.
I don't feel too bad that it happened to Walmart but you know this whale does it to a mom and pop too. If a private businesses chooses to deny you a service because you're not wearing a mask then don't get the 2A involved. It's been dragged through the dirt enough. Thanks for coming to my TEDx talk.
What you say is absolutely true with substantial legal precedent. A private business can require a mask. Just as it can do other things on it's own property and in the guise of its business practices.
The 1918 pandemic killed 50 mill worldwide, 675k were Americans.
Unless it's a virus that just kills people that want to ban AR15s (that would rule) I feel like taking measures to keep human beings alive is a fair and reasonable thing.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to dream of a beautiful world where everyone that wanted to ban ARs was dead.
You're right, private businesses can and should have the right to dictate conditions for entry and participation. It's private property, like your home. Pandemics gonna do what pandemics gonna do, however, and what it do is use stupidity, ignorance, and mistakes to infect the shit out of everyone. It just takes one person to invalidate precautionary measures, which is sad.
Example: I just got exposed for like the 5th time (that I know of) at the hospital I work at... visitor came to see her family member in ICU, took off her mask in the patients room and was crying, carrying on, etc. Turns out she swabbed positive later that day (yesterday) - her husband had been quarantining because he was positive. Oh, and she was the director of HR at our hospital, too. So now we've got her family member eating up a negative pressure room because her dumb ass thought she was special and rules didn't need to apply to her since she's "VIP", her very sick family member now has a known COVID exposure along with me, a hospitalist, a cardiology nurse practitioner, our pulmonologist/intensivist, multiple nurses, respiratory therapists, etc, etc. And at this point, none of us are even really scared of the COVID exposure, we're just fed up with the sheer stupidity of people like that causing more hassle for the world. I get the science of masking and why we do it, but at this point with people like that, short of a seriously shutdown and movement restrictions, exposure is an inevitability when stupidity and disregard for others can so easily trump everyone else's caution. I know every gravel road and back highway from here to the next biggest city... areas like mine will be impossible to police for stuff like that.
I dunno, maybe I'm venting, maybe I'm coming down with the rona, or maybe I'm a cold, jaded asshole from dealing with this for so long, but pandemics are a cold, cruel part of nature. They're nature's culling, and I honestly don't know how we can expect to stop them all. Slow them down, yes, but man... we're pretty deep in this one, and thankfully it's not nearly as terrible as it could be. All you can do is respect the people around you a best you can and not be selfish in your actions.
If this were an actual pandemic then sure, the problem is it’s not. The mortality rate doesn’t support it and the infection rate is looking more bogus everyday. The amount of people who have died in the US wouldn’t have even been so high if it were not for certain governors packing nursing homes with infected. Even with the current mortality rate, it didn’t end up being any more deadly than a really bad flu season. There are reports from doctors and even patients being tested that testing kits that were not even used coming back with a positive result. One guy in particular went into a clinic and filled out the paperwork, promptly left without ever being tested and was notified that his test case back positive.
Sweet tits brother, thank you for sharing that.
That sucks and also jives with my experience.
I've been taking precautions and staying the hell away from people like I always have and just this week I got sick with enough symptoms on the list to get a test myself the other day. Still waiting on results.
Can't go back to work until it clears though I feel better. Leave it to me to get a normal 2 day flu during a pandemic.
Still taking precautions. This shit kills grandma and grandpa dead.
For the fucking life of me I don't get how this has turned political and science is controversial.
The nurse that scraped my frontal lobes during the test said she knew lab techs that refused to wear masks as they "didn't believe the science".
It's insane. There's literally a shit ton of scientific precedent and peer reviewed research that backs aerosol particulate matter as a means of transmission for this and other things.
It's a good idea to carry a gun every day and it's a good idea to wear a mask during a pandemic.
Because the “science” is not being reported by the political media. The science is that this, on the aggregate, is no more deadly than the flu. Look at the IFR for people under 70! If you’re under 70 and not obese, you probably won’t even know you’ve had it.
I don't have anything more to say on this fren. Seriously. It's too easy to find holes in every study anyone quotes.
I work in a human services field where literally 100% of the people in it are incredibly vulnerable. They have a huge rate of complications and comorbidities. Fucking huge and objectively verifiable.
I'd rather not watch them die. It's simple as that.
I don't have anything more to say. You have a good one.