Does anyone have an opinion on these yet? Seems like some interesting stuff is going into them but 1700 seems pretty fucking steep for an AR.
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Have you tried not being poor?
I'm decidedly not poor, but I'd also like to keep it that way.
A year ago I would have said that's an outrageous price for a bare-bones AR that doesn't even have sights... But these days anything goes.
Think of it this way - by the end of 2024, either this will seem comically overpriced as the market corrects itself back to a steady state... or it will be illegal to sell something like this at all, and you'll be hella glad you bought it when you could.
One of those outcomes unfortunately seems far more likely at the moment.
In 2019 yes, $1700 would be steep. In 2021...
I would like to get one of the polymer lowers. In fact I may just go ahead and order one. It seems like an interesting idea whose time has come as the technology is likely there now. But the rest of the rifle parts...okay a titanium flash suppressor...cool, but frankly I'd just put an A2 birdcage on and call it good enough unless they require the flash hider to be pinned and welded.
Sounds like some goddamn infringement faggotry to me
It’s removable. That’s why they went 16 instead of 14.5.
I understand why they went with a carbine buffer system, but I really wish that they at least kept it to an A1 length instead of A2. or ideally, used the A5 buffer.
I picked up one of the lowers and they have the a1 lop
Its a cool novelty, but shootability suffers from the light weight (think why national match guys will put lead weights in their guns, heavier is steadier. Don't be a retard and have a 15lb shtf rifle, but 7ish +/- 1 is good place to be) also Ian and Karl are fags, ian is a good historian and thats about it, Karl is a huge tool who can shoot decent at a club level but talks like he's a world champion. Also non captured pins is big ghey, Colt did a threaded takedown pin so it wouldn't fall out without having the need of a detent 20 years ago, and Colt couldn't keep a company that had the biggest reputation in America in the black. There's not even a hoke in the stock to be a poor man's hk. Will say good on them for keeping the price point they said they were, and the lowers themselves would be decent to play with, but they built a service rifle and ignored almost every update the army did to make carbines more effective, no provision to mount ir, limited railspace, the heavy barrels weren't for accuracy they were for sustained fire, and the scs is nice, but I'm sure its been tested, and passed over in favor of a regular heavy buffer system, or the a5. And no matter what they (Karl) says unless its exclusively kicking doors then then usasoc tends to like the highest ability to get a pid as possible, so red dots are a secondary sighting system in favor of lvpos. Ok done sperging, its a neat gun and they're pretty decent as far as components, but I wouldnt consider it a serious use in any sense.
Also stoner would do the sr15, cause you know that was his improvement to the platform
Only competitions such a light gun would be competitive in would be biathlons or Tactical Games style matches
The problem with these "full featured" rifles, aside from cost, is that we have mil-spec rifles which aren't as good, but which are a known quantity.
If there is one thing I've learned about engineering over the years, it's that ANY change to a system, even an "improvement", has the potential to break it in ways you never thought of.
This is basically the downside of every single "innovation" in AR land. You have all these improvements, most of which are pretty clearly a good idea, but none of which have been tested by producing them in million unit quantities and then pounding the hell out of them for six decades.
I get that this is a recipe for stagnation, and I totally support innovation for fun, or for competition, but for any sort of serious use I want to know exactly what I am dealing with.
So yeah, that's the problem with the AR -- it works well enough that there are no problems with it that NEED to be solved, and it's hard to justify improvements when it means adopting a prototype, comparatively speaking.
Those two dudes are standing pretty close to each other so I'd guess they're gay?
I’ve got a preorder in. I like the idea of it being lightweight because I find lighter guns easier to shoot offhand. The only real downside I see is not being able to change the buffer length and that the JP buffer tends to fail (although after many many rounds) in a way that does not lend itself to fixing in the field. Karl is kind of a whiney fag, Ian isn’t really a shooter as much as a historian, but Russell Phagan is definitely one of us. He’s the one putting all this shit together and I believe he’s made a good lower and has kept us all up to date on the progress made.
There used to be kits to put spacers into old A1/rifle buffer length stocks to use newer fancy carbine length buffers, I have to imagine they're still out there.
Far as the lower, I think it's legit, the rest of it is a bunch of larping faggotry in my opinion. AR's are already light and managable, making them this light isn't "What stoner would do" it's what a bunch of two gun chumps would do and Phagan while I respect his abilities is just doing it to sell lowers, if he keeps using a WWSD rifle for matches then I'm wrong and im fine with that but I don't think something like this would be adopted by anyone who actually uses an AR for 'work' because it's going overboard with a bunch of untested stuff, carbon fiber handguards and all that?
Putting a bunch of gucci bullshit on an AR to save 2.7 pounds when a stock AR15 is already only 6.5 pounds seems silly. I do like removing the forward assist, all of my uppers are slick side, I like ambi controls but as a whole gun losing 2.7 pounds and paying 1700 boggles my mind.
But I hope you like it.
Think I'll stick with my MK18 clone...
nice mk18 bro
Wait is this site a for-real forum now, rather than just a refugee camp for autistic shitposter teenagers?
Jesus, what has the world come to?
I picked up a stripped lower and stashed it away for a future build. It will make a pretty neat lightweight build that will be easy to carry for any back country outings.