The year was 1989, a young rapist named bill clinton was just getting started thinking of ways to fuck over people further along with the hideous extradimensional lizard beast he married. Republicans and the cucks at the nra let the 89 import ban pass and that's why we have 922r (uncle Scruffy screams his rage for a minute).
Believe it or not, the fbi was looking out for the public interest and hunting some bank robbing fucks that pointed guns at people just doing their bank jobs and living their lives. It's hard to imagine but sometimes the fbi used to do stuff like that instead of targeting regular Americans. Lol funny right?
The fbi agents found two bank robbers who, we'll call mini14 and 870. After a traffic impact where an agent lost his revolver, they engaged these bank robbers and in the course of the gunfight one agent had his revolver jammed by the remains of his owh hand. Think about that a second. Damn. Mini14 was the most decisive combatant in the encounter besided an agent named Ed Mireles that chadded up and fired a shotgun one handed a number of times to end things. Mad respect. That's hard af. Go try it with a pump. Agents Grogan and Dove died and may they have hot tendies in Valhalla. They died fighting violent criminals and i shan't diminish that.
Long story short, despite the fact they lost to a folding stock mini 14 the fbi decided the handgun was the problem due to ot not being able to inflict decisive, penetrative wounds to torsos especially after passing through forearm/bicep if the intended fuckee.
So they spent 10 million tax payer dollars at least to develop the 10mm. A very neat round that can be fired from the 5-8 guns made now that fire it. It fucks up grizzly bears and throws a 180 grain round faster than i can chug high life and call beijing biden a commie shill. And that's fast bby.
Enter the smith and clinton (cuz they backed the ban in 94) giant framed slide mounted safety vagina poison never get laid 5000. The gun that fbi agents couldn't shoot well and that wore out quick af.
So, s&c decided to make a short 10. They called it a .40.
In the greatest trolling move of that era, glock beat them to the market with a glock 17 chambered in .40. Never mind the problematic unsupported chamber. Lol KABOOM.
Then HK made the USP designed to be chambered in .40. And the universe was made whole, and right for Scruffy. As it works great in all chamberings.
So, what can we learn? The fbi spent 10 million of your money to make a cool round they don't use when they really, really should have just given those poor fucks CAR15s or Colt Commandos.
Handguns are my absolute favorite but a shorty rifle when you need it is the best. It beats a handgun often due to the inherent ease of shooting and power. Also shotguns but that's a whole different rant bby.
As always, I've been your Uncle Scruffy, your guide to the glorious history of guns, fine cuisine and where you hid those underwear you stole from that 2nd cousin you dirty bastard.
Guns and America forever, Uncle Scruffy
I'm making it a priority to kill a medium sized woodland creature with my 10mm this year. It's the only caliber I have that doesn't have a body on it. even my little 25ACP drop gun got in on the action a couple years ago when a jackrabbit charged at me with ill intent.
The 10mm is a really neat round in terms of what all it can do in an automatic pistol chambering.
I heard that the glock 20 is far and above a best seller in Alaska due to it working great for bears and backwoods crazies.
I'd also bet you'd make some good venison chili with a 10mm and the right instance.
Fucking A i love venison chili.
I've got a Glock 20, nice enough gun (soulless plastic bullet dispensing appliance, more like). Haven't tried it with hotter loads. My understanding is they need a bit if TLC to shoot those comfortably.
Ruger's GP-100 chambered in 10mm is a pretty fun toy too. It doesn't care too much about hot loads, being a revolver and all. Probably not as practical as the same gun in 357, but it's still nice woods gun.
The GP100 pairs nicely with the hipoint carbine though
Right on. Revolvers are cool. I don't own one but they're cool.
Fam likes to mix free venison chunks with a bit of unfree cow chunks in order to mitigate gaminess. I want this to be wrong.
I've known a great many that mixed ground beef and venison. In fact, nice spicy beef and venison chili is one of my favorite things. My inherent laziness prevents me from changing some rifled slugs to venison.
They also don't use cayenne in copious amounts. Fuckin chili powder.
Damnit, now i'm hungry.
I'm like bigfoot. Camera shy, hairy and elusive af.
More than the atf? Seriously? More than global collectivist government or people that don't think food should have flavor?
Now, i don't like the feebs much but they don't make me reeee/seize with hate like the live infant eating, tampon sucking, grandpa raping muthafuckas at the atf.
Fucking seriously. They're like if cancer and aids had a baby, molested the shit out of it while training it to be a ninja with electrodes on its eyeballs and then set it loose on the American people.
I'd like a dave's double, no mayo, onion or lettuce and add mustard. Lg fry.
I can see your point.
Wow, it really was a different time. I'm not gonna go so far as to say the FBI ever wasn't evil (see: J. Edna Hoover), but there was a time when most of the rank and file were in fact good guys that joined up to catch bad guys. Imagine that.
I really really can't complain about the 10mm. Am a fan of the round, even if it is just a bit hipster, and I count it among the FBI's more positive contributions to our nation. Their 12" ballistic standard is a pretty good thing too.
The fact that they ultimately blamed the whole fiasco on a single 9mm slug that failed to go another inch strikes me as a giant exercise in bureaucratic bullshit that was specifically designed to prevent anyone from taking responsibility. On the other hand, I am sure plan B would have been to throw the brave men actually exchanging rounds with bank robbers under a bus.
I'm solidly behind your final conclusion. Root cause of the disaster was engaging a rifleman firing from a position of cover by rushing him with handguns. Wrong tools and tactics for the job. Give all those agents rifles of some kind and that fight would have been over a whole lot quicker.
"J Edna Hoover"
omg I'm dying, I just spit out my mouthwash (at work, it's the only way to cover my drinking)
Thanks, Now I'm cleaning up mouthspray. Would've missed it if you hadn't complimented him.
But HK never made my MK23 in 10mm :(
I know.....sigh.
HK only ever made the MP5/10. Sigh.
But for a German company to make a .45 that transcendent is a good thing i feel.
We are HK Fanboys and we take what is offered.
Take note all you toe sniffing fucks who have gone so long since you could buy a decent box of ammo the only shooting you are doing this weekend is to some meth and out of your shriveled little balls:
This is how you post to gunnit.
Thank you kindly fren. I love both history and ranting.
Now if only S&W would man up and offer the M&P 2.0 in 10mm...
We'd have a sub par, uninspired design with a terrible trigger in a good cartridge?
2.5 hi-points. Final offer.
Throw in a 40oz of king cobra, a pack of zig zags and 2 slim jims and we're set.
Sir, this is a Wendy's
1/4 single, no onion, mayo or lettuce. Add mustard and an eight ball please.
It would be cool it more companies chambered PCCs in 10mm I got this idea after I saw the Kriss Vector in 10mm and subsequently creamed my pants
Ever fire a kriss? They're cool af. The thing is, pistol cal carbines don't really kick much anyway. My scorpion kicks like a paintball gun which is to say not at all.
Whoever let me shoot their vector maybe didn't have a good one?..
Gov't didn't develop 10mm, it was already being sold in 1983 as the .40 super with terrible quality controlled pistols -- so bad the company making the pistols for the 10mm auto version of .40 super went bankrupt the same year the letter bois met Mini14 and 870 (1986). Colt started selling guns made for 10mm in 1987 -- they were under development for the previous several years. The FBI did spend a shitton to field test this cartridge and several other rounds, before finding out their tendie gargling field bois couldn't hold it in their limp ankles, then the FBI spent a shitton more to cut it down to the short and weak -- weaker than the .40 regular.
Fun fact: most of the FBI money went to developing the tests to compare calibers, which eventually ended up becoming, "why don't we make lots of Jello, but with more powder and less water, then shoot it with things in front of it?" 9 million dollars of Jello and ripped denim later, they still didn't realize that the plot armor which comes from either Mini14 or 870 owning an unshot dog was the real reason the letter bois were having such a hard time aiming, so they bought 1 million dollars of ammo from bankrupt companies, only to throw it all out.
It's honestly even funnier they spent that much to test something that already existed. I clearly need to research more. I don't know what the next history thing needs to be. I'm thinking m16 development as therein lies a tale.
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The movie, pentagon wars, should be required viewing.
Only three things government can do with money; print it, steal it, waste it.
I think the m16 was pretty mych the same story... Whatever revolver the army standardized on in the late 1800s was probably also the same thing... It's like we don't learn anything even after spending all that money.
I love the 1911 and think that was a helluva choice for the time period. Till 1935 anyway.
Is this a different 10mm than the Bren Ten (1983) and the Colt Delta Elite (1987) were chambered in?
The delta for sure yes. And i think the bren ten.
You had me at 'chuggin' High Life', bro.
Reteddit:
This part: Handguns are my absolute favorite but a shorty rifle when you need it is the best. Also shotguns ..
Something like an AR platform for shotshell, but instead - magazine fed minishell?
That sounds like a scifi flechette gun of awesomeness.
And when Gaston tried to put his own own AARP abortion round on the market to the response of crickets from agencies and laughter from everyone else, Springfield had one of their Croatian imports chambered for it on the market before Glawk's own tupperware blaster was made available.
Lol i remember that. I just always forget about that as 45 gap is like the 4th terminator movie or alien movie. So shitty and forgettable lol.