Howdy.
Long story short I love handguns. So damn much. The HK45C is my sweet tits good time pal but the glock 17 is the kinda gun that both insane gun nuts that are too far gone to care (howdy) or people that don't like or shoot guns much, like and enjoy.
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Holds a bunch of commie cures.
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Easy to shoot. (Low bore axis, easy and repeatable trigger pull, good sight pic, good grip).
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Dead stupid reliability.
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Mechanical simplicity.
What the fuck? I like the sig p320, shot a few but the glock is a better gat honestly.
Fucking thing is the best bedside table gun ever with a streamlight tlr-1 hl and a 21 rd mag.
This.
Never underestimate the role that politics plays in procuring military contracts.
They didn't go through the proper testing they usually do with selecting a firearm with the Fig320. Totally reeks of bribes and promise of cushy jobs after these fat asses retire from service.
So I'm long out of the Corps and was clearly never important enough to make decisions but I know two interesting things:
The slide cracking issue some Glocks have dealt with scared the military
The Sig team impressed with the modularity because not even the military can agree on which caliber is best.
Then I also know what really matters and is totally uninteresting:
Sig undercut Glocks price significantly
Sig has a (strange and confusing) agreement with Winchester over ammo and some other parts which means an American company gets in on the contract
The testing conditions were...odd and Glock called bullshit and made a bunch of people mad
Here is the GAO report if you are a nerd
http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/685461.pdf
Looks like $$$ was the biggest factor, the glocks came out to 45% more tendies.
Picking up the contact, even at or slightly below cost was a good move. They'll more than make it up with market share in the civilian market.
And long-term, too. Since they won the MHS program, they're basically locked in with the DoD for the next 20+ years. Fill the initial contract below cost, and fill all the subsequent contracts at a decent profit.
There are a number of police departments that issued the 92 because that's what the military used. They figured the military already did all the proof testing and if it was good enough for them. Others go with the "FBI uses Glock therefore..." as to why the Glock became as popular as it has. I look for a number of departments to pick the Sig P320/M17 line up as issued guns in the next decade for the same reasons.
TX DPS seems to issue 320's already, I've seen several holstered with the stendo mags loaded
Money is usually an enormous factor. Sig learned that lesson in 1985 when the P226 lost out to the Beretta 92 primarily because of price factor.
Let's be completelyhonest here. Glock 17s, Beretta 92 series, and the Sig P226/320 series are all spectacular guns. All three are high quality duty grade firearms. But at the end of the day, when the military is looking to buy guns by the thousands price difference gets expanded, and if they can get more units for the same price, they'll do that.
I think the price and modularity of it did it, damn good point.
aren't glocks modular too? All it takes is a barrel and mag swap to change calibers.
Glock 19 is my choice for my do-all gun. It's my bedside gun & goes on my war belt. I could EDC it, but I usually go with the g26 for that.
Baby glock, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo Baby glock, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo Baby glock, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo Baby glooooocccck....
I've got a 19 for EDC and a 17 in the nightstand with a TLR-2. Feels good.
Hard to argue with this. The patents have even run out on the 3rd gen, so a clone could be injection molded by anyone for the price of a Nerf gun.
It's not what I personally want for geeking out, but for general issue to grunts I'm not seeing much of a downside.
Anytime you hear about some weird, obvious, inefficient government decision, defense contracts are always involved, somehow. -A smarter feller then me
How is it inefficient to buy the cheaper of 2 almost identical options?
True af.
Procurement is teh stupid.
Id rather have a flush mag with 17 than protruding with 21, if I didnt get the job done with 17 the last 4 are probably just as useless. Plus I have mags on deck
Flush mag for carry to liquor store. Extended mag for home or reload after the first car load of "peaceful protesters" ot evil space clowns, whatever comes up really.
Because SIG is better at sucking some Pentagon officials' cocks.
Also better at making a pistol that fires when dropped, so shit-for-brains LTs have an excuse for NDs.
Because terrible grip angle. Held a Glock once, hated it.
That's cool. And makes sense.
You're a man of class. The P226 was my very first gun. It's a terrific gun.
Between the 320 and 17 i prefer the looks of the 320 but prefer to shoot the 17. The 320 is a good gun and definitely worth having, i will prolly pick one up down the line. The HK VP9 is my new favorite combat 9mm of the last 40 years or so as well.
One thing? Look into a company called ETS, they make clear plastic mags and the mags work great. I bought a bunch of 17rd mags for my VP9 from them for $17 a mag which kicks ass compared to the $50 or so for an oem HK mag.
They make 320 mags if you're interested. I would hazard a guess they perform as well as the vp9 mags and you will save so much money for tendies.
bribes is the correct answer. my answer is because glocks are trash
Lol I used to say that all the time. Damn things just work well though.