That's where I'm torn, its hard to imagine waking up Nov. 4 and suddenly COVID the riots all of that stuff is just poof. . . . gone. I don't think we can put the genie back in the bottle on this one. Not to mention how fast things seem to be escalating idk if we even make it to the election before we reach the boiling point.
Stay ready for Nov 4, I feel Trump is going to win and there will be shit popping off because of that. If they dont see you looting they will see you as the enemy. I never thought the boog side would fight along side the gov, but ill be damned if communists think they can burn this nation down. This is just the beginning, people are getting more comfortable with the gun play
I see this a lot like the Spanish and Finnish civil wars if shit pops off. Lots of nastiness between people who have lived in the same areas for years. Unfortunately I’m way inside a liberal area of a liberal state so I’ll probably be caught up in the leftist purges but for every Nathanael Green there's a Nathan Hale.
Hopefully we have smarter Nathan Hales. Dude brought his own college diploma to prove he was a teacher as his disguise for spying on the British. Had powder burns on his cheeks as well giving him away as a soldier.
The concern if an actual boog kicks off is "international assistance". Remember the NATO job openings for disarmament officers?
Like it or not, the world is a globalist's world. We've been so busy "spreading democracy" to the rest of the world, there's a lot of nations that can't wait to send in "peacekeeping forces" to the US after the psyops they've been doing on us to further divide us.
I know it sounds like crazy ass conspiracy theories, but shit its all fucking true and we keep falling for it. IE the riots.
Are you fucking kidding me???? Didn't he murder him in cold blood??? Not even self-defense? You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Edit: I think you might be misinformed. The DA said he is refusing to prosecute certain crimes such as disorderly conduct, rioting, harassment, etc. but I do not see anything about this specific case. I believe it's still under investigation.
he is conflating an earlier arrest of the same piece of shit, that was dismissed. guy gut locked up including his pistol but charges dropped. Had they not dropped the earlier charge he would still be locked up or at least the pistol would have been kept by the PD, and this shooting could not have occured.
Don't worry though guys, gun control totally works!
Seriously, how can the people pushing gun control honestly think that anymore? They themselves are the ones refusing to enforce the gun control they so desperately want, and then they act like the solution is to add more laws that they'll refuse to enforce as well?
This is a textbook example of why gun control doesn't work. Even if someone gets caught out by gun control laws, the odds of preventing a future incident by arresting someone are effectively 0%.
There will be small scale armed conflict in major cities. Very small scale but I think it will happen. Probably short but intense fire fights and some standoffs.
The rest of America, the America that has to get up and get to work, to raise their families and get good deals on 7.62 battle rifles will keep on going and be just fine. Because that's the real America. Fuck politicians and dumbass rioters.
This is how I've always envisioned a "modern civil war" in the US. Small factions in quick firefights broken up either by one side backing out or the natty gaurd stepping in. Enjoy seeing humvees on the streets bois.
What will be funny will be the lack of any central figure to blame. It will be the media saying this and that about who was involved. There's no real central command or objective on either side so much as a bunch of angry assholes.
Which only makes me question more, what the hell will be the end result of all of it. Unrest continues, Nov 3rd is bungled causing more unrest, actual factions gunning each other down in the streets with the average American not knowing whos doing what, then what? That's the part that actually worries me, can I not imagine what's next because it'll be worse than I can predict?
Thats what makes antifa/blm so threatening yet so weak at the same time. They have zero centralization, you cant win like that, you can only survive. But with that zero centralization, there are no ranks to target, making each one just a foot soldier for committing terrorism and nothing more
Post election, fire up the insurrection act and clamp down. Dems cry and try to use it in the midterms. Meanwhile the ants get trampled because the elephants are fighting.
Nearly half the population, concentrated in urban centers, is either part of a secular cult or in thrall to it. Entitlement is a major part of the cult, and they have been used to getting their way for a very long time, financed by infinite government debt. It has to change, one way or another, as reality sets in, and they're not going to like it.
So no, it's not going to get better. At best, there is a short-term lull (maybe) if they get exactly what they want in the election, like a withdrawing heroine addict finally getting a dose. But it only makes the problem worse -- the addiction is reinforced, and the eventual conflict with reality becomes more inevitable and intense.
I'm 100% on board with your thoughts on entitlement.
Gotta hard disagree on the secular thing. Theocratic government is even worse. Ask the catholic church if you want to know more. Lol, everyone forgets the vatican is an independent state because mussolini made it that way.
I don't think anyone is suggesting a theocratic govt. But some religion and subservience to something larger than ourselves is always a good thing IMO. Keeps a man (and woman) grounded
I guess for me it's more about submission and humbleness to something I'm ultimately accountable to. Not so much about actual rules and shit... but more like God's out there and He can strike me down whenever He chooses so I need to keep my shit straight while I'm on this Earth.
But some religion and subservience to something larger than ourselves is always a good thing IMO
Not a fan of religion, but I always thought the 7th Generation Principle was something more people should be aware of.
It is believed to have originated with the Iroquois – Great Law of the Iroquois – which holds appropriate to think seven generations ahead (about 140 years into the future) and decide whether the decisions they make today would benefit their children seven generations into the future.
"Secular cult" just differentiates it from being a "religious cult." It's not that a secular worldview makes you a member of the cult, any more than a religious worldview makes you a member of a religious cult. The DNCult is a toxic blend of Critical Race Theory and Marxism.
I mean, when has a centrally-planed command-and-control economy with big promises of social services, combined with hyper-racial grievance politics ever gone wrong before?
The American Revolution is of specific note because (generally speaking) there wasn't violence where it was civilian vs civilian.
The civil war is especially interesting because there were clear lines of demarcation between the sides.
The next civil war will look a lot more like the French revolution with certain neighborhoods fighting others. So I think best advice is to move to an area with people share your political beliefs and train with them
Look into the Spanish Civil War for one of the closest modern analogues. Same dynamics at play -- left concentrated in city centers, right everywhere else. The lead-up to hostilities is particularly fascinating. There are some nice little youtube videos on the topic. Eventually, the left lost as they were more or less starved into submission (although it also became a proxy war for other powers in Europe). I suspect the same dynamic will be magnified by a factor of 1000 in the upcoming American version, especially when someone decides to shut the power off (Urban centers don't generate their own power).
Ya foreign interference is an under discussed topic. If we do slip to civil war geopolitical moves might start popping off world wide for many reasons. Who knows what China will be up to. I'm not saying hot invasion but, they may use the blackfaced-cuck of the great white north to invade by Canadian proxy. Who knows what would happen?
Agreed, the Mason Dixon line made the civil war possible. This time around things seem more oriented to flyover country vs the coasts or even cities vs rural. The thing is with that separation it isn't geographically defined enough to see armies fighting each other. The way it looks to me is more institutions vs the disenfranchised. Be that the press, universities, or big tech it doesn't seem to me to be leading to a civil war, more like the Vichy French vs French Resistance or the British vs the IRA. Quite frankly I don't want it to go there. Is there a way to stop this train?
Yeah, don't buy into the propaganda from either side and just be a "dude". The majority of people are the silent majority.
This crap is made up of those dedicated to a cause and the unemployed with nothing better to do. Once the economy improves this will go back to those dedicated to a cause. The rest will have something to lose and something to occupy their time other than sitting on the internet and getting mad.
At this point I'm not sure. The democrats in charge of these cities thought by doing nothing they could force Trump to act or place the blame at his feet no matter what they did/didn't do. That plan seems to be failing and as such I look for those mayors and governors to do a serious 180 and crack down on things hard in order to then say: "See we took care of this and didn't need Trump". Whether or not they can at this point or if this beast has gotten out of control of its masters is yet to be seen I think.
No, the cult-mayors can't get it under control unless the mob suddenly gets politically smart (which isn't likely).
To get it under control now requires far more force than it would have in June. Think the cult-mayors are going to send in the (defunded) cops and start gassing BLM now? How would that look to "the base," just before the election?
Trump is too good at playing the media to win in the public's eye. Cities have the highest populations and are going to drive more people away from the dems and into trump's hands. I don't see how the democrats have made such a horrible plan.
By far the best solution is for states like CA to (more or less) peacefully exit the union. Let them have their Utopia, and set up strict borders with the neighboring states. If you stay with the left, you can't migrate out to the right.
Best for everyone else, anyway -- CA will rapidly devolve into Venezuela North within about 20 years under this scenario.
Still, it's better than Spanish Civil War part II.
Starting to sound like the 3% number is coming from pension filings post war. So that would be survivors who chose to file after the war, and in the regular army, not militiamen. Leading to the number being potentially much higher. But yes, I agree not 100% not even half the population was likely involved at the start.
The way I see it is plate carriers and plates don't expire, ammo has a long ass shelf life, guns don't expire, water has an unlimited shelf life, most emergency food has a 25 year shelf life... If not now, you'll still be covered for a long time.
I'm telling ya. One of these LARPers is going to organize a facebook meetup outside someone's house, they get out of hand end up going inside and 5+ people are shot dead.
It’s only gonna be more heated as we get closer to the election....after that, who the fuck knows.
Edit: It appears that the shooter has been released and the Portland DA is refusing to prosecute.
That's where I'm torn, its hard to imagine waking up Nov. 4 and suddenly COVID the riots all of that stuff is just poof. . . . gone. I don't think we can put the genie back in the bottle on this one. Not to mention how fast things seem to be escalating idk if we even make it to the election before we reach the boiling point.
The only we get the genie back in the bottle is for the 'loo to commence
Stay ready for Nov 4, I feel Trump is going to win and there will be shit popping off because of that. If they dont see you looting they will see you as the enemy. I never thought the boog side would fight along side the gov, but ill be damned if communists think they can burn this nation down. This is just the beginning, people are getting more comfortable with the gun play
I see this a lot like the Spanish and Finnish civil wars if shit pops off. Lots of nastiness between people who have lived in the same areas for years. Unfortunately I’m way inside a liberal area of a liberal state so I’ll probably be caught up in the leftist purges but for every Nathanael Green there's a Nathan Hale.
Stay frosty, if baracading is not a viable obtion, maybe head to a republican area the night of, you dont want to be outnumbered during the purge
Hopefully we have smarter Nathan Hales. Dude brought his own college diploma to prove he was a teacher as his disguise for spying on the British. Had powder burns on his cheeks as well giving him away as a soldier.
The concern if an actual boog kicks off is "international assistance". Remember the NATO job openings for disarmament officers?
Like it or not, the world is a globalist's world. We've been so busy "spreading democracy" to the rest of the world, there's a lot of nations that can't wait to send in "peacekeeping forces" to the US after the psyops they've been doing on us to further divide us.
I know it sounds like crazy ass conspiracy theories, but shit its all fucking true and we keep falling for it. IE the riots.
Being surrounded by commies just means everyone in your field of vision belongs in your field of fire
hard to say but prepare for the worst
Are you fucking kidding me???? Didn't he murder him in cold blood??? Not even self-defense? You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Edit: I think you might be misinformed. The DA said he is refusing to prosecute certain crimes such as disorderly conduct, rioting, harassment, etc. but I do not see anything about this specific case. I believe it's still under investigation.
he is conflating an earlier arrest of the same piece of shit, that was dismissed. guy gut locked up including his pistol but charges dropped. Had they not dropped the earlier charge he would still be locked up or at least the pistol would have been kept by the PD, and this shooting could not have occured.
They haven't bothered to arrest the shooter yet, he was a guy who has already been arrested on gun charges and released immediately though.
Don't worry though guys, gun control totally works!
Seriously, how can the people pushing gun control honestly think that anymore? They themselves are the ones refusing to enforce the gun control they so desperately want, and then they act like the solution is to add more laws that they'll refuse to enforce as well?
This is a textbook example of why gun control doesn't work. Even if someone gets caught out by gun control laws, the odds of preventing a future incident by arresting someone are effectively 0%.
There will be small scale armed conflict in major cities. Very small scale but I think it will happen. Probably short but intense fire fights and some standoffs.
The rest of America, the America that has to get up and get to work, to raise their families and get good deals on 7.62 battle rifles will keep on going and be just fine. Because that's the real America. Fuck politicians and dumbass rioters.
This is how I've always envisioned a "modern civil war" in the US. Small factions in quick firefights broken up either by one side backing out or the natty gaurd stepping in. Enjoy seeing humvees on the streets bois.
What will be funny will be the lack of any central figure to blame. It will be the media saying this and that about who was involved. There's no real central command or objective on either side so much as a bunch of angry assholes.
Which only makes me question more, what the hell will be the end result of all of it. Unrest continues, Nov 3rd is bungled causing more unrest, actual factions gunning each other down in the streets with the average American not knowing whos doing what, then what? That's the part that actually worries me, can I not imagine what's next because it'll be worse than I can predict?
That depends. If you think that there is an overall controlling party or several working towards a goal or of its just kinda random crazy stupid.
I dunno. I can see either side.
Thats what makes antifa/blm so threatening yet so weak at the same time. They have zero centralization, you cant win like that, you can only survive. But with that zero centralization, there are no ranks to target, making each one just a foot soldier for committing terrorism and nothing more
that's pretty much dublin during the troubles
Post election, fire up the insurrection act and clamp down. Dems cry and try to use it in the midterms. Meanwhile the ants get trampled because the elephants are fighting.
Pretty much.
Civil wars look like the Siege of Sarajevo now. There aren't going to be uniformed armies lining up with the intention of conquering discrete targets.
Nearly half the population, concentrated in urban centers, is either part of a secular cult or in thrall to it. Entitlement is a major part of the cult, and they have been used to getting their way for a very long time, financed by infinite government debt. It has to change, one way or another, as reality sets in, and they're not going to like it.
So no, it's not going to get better. At best, there is a short-term lull (maybe) if they get exactly what they want in the election, like a withdrawing heroine addict finally getting a dose. But it only makes the problem worse -- the addiction is reinforced, and the eventual conflict with reality becomes more inevitable and intense.
I'm 100% on board with your thoughts on entitlement.
Gotta hard disagree on the secular thing. Theocratic government is even worse. Ask the catholic church if you want to know more. Lol, everyone forgets the vatican is an independent state because mussolini made it that way.
I don't think anyone is suggesting a theocratic govt. But some religion and subservience to something larger than ourselves is always a good thing IMO. Keeps a man (and woman) grounded
I can see that point. I have a belief system myself that keeps me in mind of what is important.
I reckon it's like anything where moderation and careful thought are key.
I guess for me it's more about submission and humbleness to something I'm ultimately accountable to. Not so much about actual rules and shit... but more like God's out there and He can strike me down whenever He chooses so I need to keep my shit straight while I'm on this Earth.
If that makes sense?
It does indeed. And that higher moral sense is a good thing. Thanks for a different perspective.
Not a fan of religion, but I always thought the 7th Generation Principle was something more people should be aware of.
It is believed to have originated with the Iroquois – Great Law of the Iroquois – which holds appropriate to think seven generations ahead (about 140 years into the future) and decide whether the decisions they make today would benefit their children seven generations into the future.
I've never heard of that but I dig it!!
Reminds me of The Bridge Builder:
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/52702/the-bridge-builder
"Secular cult" just differentiates it from being a "religious cult." It's not that a secular worldview makes you a member of the cult, any more than a religious worldview makes you a member of a religious cult. The DNCult is a toxic blend of Critical Race Theory and Marxism.
I mean, when has a centrally-planed command-and-control economy with big promises of social services, combined with hyper-racial grievance politics ever gone wrong before?
Hmm I see a parallel between boomers and some millennials
The American Revolution is of specific note because (generally speaking) there wasn't violence where it was civilian vs civilian.
The civil war is especially interesting because there were clear lines of demarcation between the sides.
The next civil war will look a lot more like the French revolution with certain neighborhoods fighting others. So I think best advice is to move to an area with people share your political beliefs and train with them
And buy ammo
Look into the Spanish Civil War for one of the closest modern analogues. Same dynamics at play -- left concentrated in city centers, right everywhere else. The lead-up to hostilities is particularly fascinating. There are some nice little youtube videos on the topic. Eventually, the left lost as they were more or less starved into submission (although it also became a proxy war for other powers in Europe). I suspect the same dynamic will be magnified by a factor of 1000 in the upcoming American version, especially when someone decides to shut the power off (Urban centers don't generate their own power).
Ya foreign interference is an under discussed topic. If we do slip to civil war geopolitical moves might start popping off world wide for many reasons. Who knows what China will be up to. I'm not saying hot invasion but, they may use the blackfaced-cuck of the great white north to invade by Canadian proxy. Who knows what would happen?
Best predictor of future behavior is past behavior
So China will be busy brutally repressing the Chinese people, and anyone else they can get their grubby mitts on.
Agreed, the Mason Dixon line made the civil war possible. This time around things seem more oriented to flyover country vs the coasts or even cities vs rural. The thing is with that separation it isn't geographically defined enough to see armies fighting each other. The way it looks to me is more institutions vs the disenfranchised. Be that the press, universities, or big tech it doesn't seem to me to be leading to a civil war, more like the Vichy French vs French Resistance or the British vs the IRA. Quite frankly I don't want it to go there. Is there a way to stop this train?
The Democrats could start acting like adults and tell these fucks to knock it off before the National Guard comes to town
Don't hold your breath. The left is pulling the same "inside outside" shit from the '60s. "Put us in charge and this can all go away"
Yeah, don't buy into the propaganda from either side and just be a "dude". The majority of people are the silent majority.
This crap is made up of those dedicated to a cause and the unemployed with nothing better to do. Once the economy improves this will go back to those dedicated to a cause. The rest will have something to lose and something to occupy their time other than sitting on the internet and getting mad.
This is 100% my plan. Ozarks here I come
At this point I'm not sure. The democrats in charge of these cities thought by doing nothing they could force Trump to act or place the blame at his feet no matter what they did/didn't do. That plan seems to be failing and as such I look for those mayors and governors to do a serious 180 and crack down on things hard in order to then say: "See we took care of this and didn't need Trump". Whether or not they can at this point or if this beast has gotten out of control of its masters is yet to be seen I think.
No, the cult-mayors can't get it under control unless the mob suddenly gets politically smart (which isn't likely).
To get it under control now requires far more force than it would have in June. Think the cult-mayors are going to send in the (defunded) cops and start gassing BLM now? How would that look to "the base," just before the election?
Trump is too good at playing the media to win in the public's eye. Cities have the highest populations and are going to drive more people away from the dems and into trump's hands. I don't see how the democrats have made such a horrible plan.
You'll see that shit in the urban areas but not here in the sticks.
Shoot, shovel, shut up...
Mama always said you never know when you'll need an 8 foot deep hole, so might as well keep a few around.
I've said it for years, we've got nothing in common. May as well drift apart.
By far the best solution is for states like CA to (more or less) peacefully exit the union. Let them have their Utopia, and set up strict borders with the neighboring states. If you stay with the left, you can't migrate out to the right.
Best for everyone else, anyway -- CA will rapidly devolve into Venezuela North within about 20 years under this scenario.
Still, it's better than Spanish Civil War part II.
Also everyone acting like there is going to be a civil war is a retard. 80% of people don't give a shit and aren't that invested in politics.
Well the revolutionary war was only ~3% of the population fighting
Starting to sound like the 3% number is coming from pension filings post war. So that would be survivors who chose to file after the war, and in the regular army, not militiamen. Leading to the number being potentially much higher. But yes, I agree not 100% not even half the population was likely involved at the start.
More detailed info:https://observer.com/2017/07/soldiers-militia-american-revolution/
The way I see it is plate carriers and plates don't expire, ammo has a long ass shelf life, guns don't expire, water has an unlimited shelf life, most emergency food has a 25 year shelf life... If not now, you'll still be covered for a long time.
I'm telling ya. One of these LARPers is going to organize a facebook meetup outside someone's house, they get out of hand end up going inside and 5+ people are shot dead.